Another poll and another Obama win. John McCain did not move the people. If you listen to the pundits it's a tie or McCain did help his cause. Not. It's us that make the decision and, like the surge, it is not working.

CBS poll of undecided voters:Who won the debate?McCain (R) 22 Obama (D) 53Shares your values:Obama, Before the debate: 54 Obama, After the debate: 63McCain, Before the debate: 53 McCain, After the debate: 56CNN poll:Who won the debate?McCain (R) 31 Obama (D) 58Favorable/UnfavorableObama, before debate: 63/35 Obama, after debate: 66/33McCain, before debate: 51/45 McCain, after debate: 49/49Even the Luntz focus group gives it to Obama:Meanwhile, virtually the entire Frank Luntz focus group on Fox News, which was staged tonight in Miami, said that Barack Obama won the debate. Luntz termed it a "clear majority," but not one person raised their hand when asked if they thought McCain won.Said Luntz: "None had made a decision to support Sen. Obama before the debate, but more than half supported him after the debate. It was a good night for Barack Obama."