more about ""Church of Christ" Topical Video - Ca...", posted with vodpod Questions From Those in the Church of Christ Answeredby Doug BowerWhy is is that you put baptism after salvation when Jesus put it before (Mark 16:16)?Mark is writing here that there are two results of preaching the gospel. Some would believe and be baptized and be saved. Some would not believe. Notice the lack of the word *baptize* in the second clause. This tells us that the use if the word baptize in the first clause, not being emphasized in the second clause is not the issue or point if this text.To understand what words in scripture mean they must be defined contextually. What does baptism mean in the context of this text. It is simply a mistake to quote verses and fail to present the verse and your conclusions in the immediate as well as the *remote* context of the rest of scripture. Baptism, in the texts of Scripture, can mean many things. To look at the word and assume it always means *water* baptism is an absurd conclusion and again shows a lack of even the basics of hermeneutics.The word baptism comes from the "dyers" trade. It was used in secular language to mean to dye a piece of cloth. When someone wanted to dye their white, bleached cloth they would go see the dyer. After looking over the selection of colors available and choosing one, the dyer, would take the cloth and "dip", or "dunk", or "immerse" the cloth into the vat of colored dye. When the cloth was removed it was then "identified" with the color of the dye in the vat. This was how the word originated and was used. It can have many meanings depending upon the context in which it is used.Metaphorically it is used to indicate "union" or "identification" with Christ in His death and resurrection. Literally it can be used to signify the "immersing" of someone or something into water, dye, etc.The verses you question in Mark 16:16 cannot mean that water baptism is a necessary condition for salvation for the following reasons:The thief on the cross was not
more about ""Church of Christ" Topical Video - Ca...", posted with vodpod Church of Christ Heresies! DANGER: Wolves in the Sheep Pen!by David J. StewartBaptismal Regeneration?Church of God followers do NOT believe in simple FAITH in Jesus Christ to be saved; on the contrary, they most definitely demand that BAPTISM be added for one to be saved. I spoke at length recently with a Church of God minister who earned his degree from the Dallas Christian College. Dallas Christian College DOESN'T make it clear at all that they are indeed a Church of Christ college. Why are they deceptive about who they really are? What are they afraid to tell people? Click on their "Our Mission" link and see if Church of Christ is mentioned. It is NOT! By all indications, many Christian people would ignorantly think this was a great college to attend, but it certainly is NOT! It looks innocent enough on the surface doesn't it? That's the disguise they want you to see. I went to visit their website to read their statement of faith; as I suspected, it was vague. But as clever as the person tried to be who devised this statement of faith, it couldn't escape the discernment of a spirit-filled believer, knowledgeable in the Word of God. The following quote is taken from their statement of faith:"...the Church of the New Testament ought everywhere to be restored with its divine plan of admission: faith, repentance, and baptism..."Did you read that? Did you see the heresy? Is baptism necessary for admission into the Church? No sir! The very moment you trust Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, asking Him to forgive your sins and come into your heart, you have been born-again and are a member of the body of Christ. Any fool who tells you that you have to be baptized to become a member of the church is LYING to you! Isn't it something how misguided ministers will force you to get baptized to join THEIR church, but God accepts ANY repentant sinner into heaven. You do NOT have to be affiliated with any church, religious group or de
I posted this article in a MSN group that I visit. The “Church of Christ” is not the “one true church”! It is a Cult. By Damon WhitsellI was asked this question,,, “Why does the CoC rate the label "cult" over "heretical"?”, then the questionnaire ask a series of questions voicing his concerns about me referring to the “Church of Christ” as a cult.What follows is my response.I would be happy to help out. You said,QUESTION: “Usually these revelations are presented as truth by a leader who is proclaimed to be a prophet of some kind and whose teachings and writings are considered to be an addition to Scripture and of equal or near equal authority.”-----------------------------Responce: The COC claims that all individual congregations are autonomous but in reality they have many “Scholars” that write manuals for them. That is why no matter where you go you here the same arguments and rhetoric from the majority of them. They do not have any extra biblical books such as the Mormons book of Mormon, Doctrine and covenants and the Pearl of great price. They do not have a “prophetical figure“ dispensing “new revelation from God”. But these manuals by COC scholars are considered a “New way” of understanding biblical truth.----------------------------------------QUESTION: Usually said groups practice one form or another of shunning.----------------------------------------------Responce: The COC is authoritarian in that they claim to be the “only true Christ of Jesus” and only they have the way of salvation. The claim is made that the NT church of Jesus and the apostles ceased to exist and had to be “restored”. They are a part of the restoration movement. You can read more HERE. http://www.how2becomeachristian.info/restorationism.htmIf your not of the COC your shunned as not a real Christian. If you are COC and leave to go to another denomination you are shunned as having left the one true church and forfeited your salvation. This is demonstrated in Sissy’s thread The Chur
I attended the debate between Bob Ross and Garland Elkins a number of years ago. I believe Elkins was in the affirmative on the proposition that water baptism precedes salvation or the remission of sins. It was an odd debate, to say the least, because it seemed that Mr. Elkins intended to begin with one verse or passage, then allow Mr. Ross to answer it, then Elkins would proceed to the next verse to be considered. So Elkins began with Mark 16:16 and made his speech about it - fairly complete with Greek and English analysis. Then Ross made his reply - not a very good one, but about as good as he could do under the circumstances. Well, Elkins stood again and stayed on the same verse - a little different slant, a few different quotes, and Ross replied again. Basically the same reply as before as he, of course, knew of nothing new to say. That whole "debate" wound up centering on that one verse, with poor Bob even trying to introduce affirmative material for Mr. Elkins - affirmative material that he was more prepared to answer or deny more effectively. So ROSS wanted to introduce Acts 2:38, so ROSS could deny it! He publishes some books. Well, I bet he doesn't publish THAT debate. I don't know, personally, but would bet if you call his publishing company and ask for the Ross-Elkins Debate, you can't buy it - not from him, anyway. I think it was about this time that he decided his forte might not be debating the Bible, so he concentrated on church history - I lost track of him after that, but surely he fared better with the history. He had to have, because when he delved off into the Bible, and of all things, the Greek, he made the poorest effort I had ever seen. Anyway, it was the only debate that I ever saw or heard of in which the disputants never got past the first verse offered by the affirmative.
Bob L. Ross, author of the book, "Campbellism, Its History and Heresies," joins Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers, in this brief review of this 19th-century religious movement. This movement known as "Campbellism" and adhered to by groups known as "Church of Christ," "Christian Church," and "Disciples of Christ," had its beginning primarily through the influence of two immigrants from Ireland. Thomas Campbell, the father, and Alexander Campbell, the son, rebelled against Presbyterianism and ultim
Bob L. Ross, author of the book, "Campbellism, Its History and Heresies," joins Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers, in this brief review of this 19th-century religious movement. This movement known as "Campbellism" and adhered to by groups known as "Church of Christ," "Christian Church," and "Disciples of Christ," had its beginning primarily through the influence of two immigrants from Ireland. Thomas Campbell, the father, and Alexander Campbell, the son, rebelled against Presbyterianism and ultimately created the Campbellite movement. The Campbells had arrived in America in the early 1800s and later with the help of Walter Scott and Barton W. Stone "restored" the "ancient Gospel" with an emphasis on Acts 2:38 and baptismal remission. Works righteousness is a common feature of Campbellism and plays a large part in many of their strange doctrines such as their denial of the use of musical instruments in the church worship service (among some of their sects). Restoration, Movement
This is a really outstanding video. Bob Ross and Pilgram publications is about 30 miles from my house and I have a ton of Spurgeon literature from them. TY BOB.
Bob L. Ross, author of the book, "Campbellism, Its History and Heresies," joins Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers, in this brief review of this 19th-century religious movement. This movement known as "Campbellism" and adhered to by groups known as "Church of Christ," "Christian Church," and "Disciples of Christ," had its beginning primarily through the influence of two immigrants from Ireland. Thomas Campbell, the father, and Alexander Campbell, the son, rebelled against Presbyterianism and ultimately created the Campbellite movement. The Campbells had arrived in America in the early 1800s and later with the help of Walter Scott and Barton W. Stone "restored" the "ancient Gospel" with an emphasis on Acts 2:38 and baptismal remission. Works righteousness is a common feature of Campbellism and plays a large part in many of their strange doctrines such as their denial of the use of musical instruments in the church worship service (among some of their sects). Restoration, Movement, Water, Baptism, is, necessary, to, be, saved, laws, of, pardon, Master, Spirit, baptismal, regeneration, Spiritual, Sword. Garland, Elkins, debates, Southwest, Church, of, Christ, Bill, Jackson, Stone, Campbell, International, Journal, Cincinnati, Christian, University.